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		<title>&#8220;Space Governance is Just a Reflection of Power Politics,&#8221; An interview with Bleddyn E. Bowen</title>
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<p>"Space politics is the same as terrestrial politics: you have countries that want to make money and people who don’t care so much about the environment or say it’s a future problem, not right now."</p>
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			<p><span class="r-es-drop-cap">I</span></p>
<p><em>n </em>Original Sin: Power, Technology and War in Outer Space<em>, Dr. Bleddyn E. Bowen presents the sobering reality of space technology; its development to enhance the killing power of the state. </em></p>
<p><em>Bowen discusses the political, strategic, and social causes and consequences of the Global Space Age and sees it as an outgrowth of the international system actors within it. The book provides a global view of international politics of space and its increasingly multipolar environment, and masterfully links technopolitics to power politics.</em></p>
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<p><strong>Q<em>. What is the original sin? How did nations first decide to pursue space power?</em></strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s tied up in the Thermonuclear Revolution, through the pursuit of military power. If it wasn&#8217;t for the perceived military benefits of being able to launch nuclear weapons, you would not have had the very large sums of money poured into these very temperamental, exotic new technologies in the 1940s and &#8217;50s. The scenario would be similar for satellite technologies; they were very temperamental and unknown. The potential benefits were so huge that both superpowers’ military industrial complexes in the early Cold War put resources into it, and got the things working that then opened up access to space for all sorts of other applications as well.</p>
<p>The original sin refers to the military interest in developing those very first technologies that opened up the entire space. It started with the Sputnik shock. The launch of Sputnik in 1957 was the product of the Soviet missile arms and nuclear project. It wasn&#8217;t just to have a demonstration; Khrushchev did not plan that. It was very much Sergei Korolev saying, “Well, we might as well put a demonstration satellite up there.”</p>
<p>They were building those rockets to launch nuclear weapons. Korolev was told he could only work on the satellite in his spare time, so that the work did not interfere with developing them as missiles with nuclear weapons. So, Korolev and his teams worked on Sputnik in their own time, not on the main line of work. Even the very first satellite launch was just the tip of the iceberg of what was a massive military nuclear buildup.</p>

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			<p>Read: <a href="https://politicstoday.org/nasa-mars-helicopter-project-engineer-loay-elbasyouni/">“Space Is for All”: An Interview with NASA Engineer Loay Elbasyouni</a></p>

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			<p><strong>Q. <em>How has the use of space technology evolved from back then?</em></strong></p>
<p>What we have today are just mature and advanced versions of the same basic technological system. They are often decades old. GPS is 50 years old. We just have a very advanced version of it today compared to 50 years ago. So, it&#8217;s about the spread and the increased availability of the services rather than a change in the technology as such.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t happen overnight, but by the 1990s most of the kinds of satellite service types that we use today had been developed in their earliest generations, or sometimes even the second or third generations.</p>
<p>Satellite TV, for example, came out of military command and control systems. The Tokyo Olympics were broadcast by satellite in 1964; it was the first major sports event to be broadcast by satellite. That&#8217;s an example where the actual service and technology have been there for a long time, but it&#8217;s far more ubiquitous now.</p>
<p>Satellite navigation is another one. Various parts of the military and civilian economy in the United States were already using the very first services of GPS in the late 1980s. Today, those services are just far more accessible to everyone rather than just specialized organizations.</p>
<p>Similarly, with satellite imagery; one of the applications was in 1960 when the first Corona spy satellite images came back. Those things have been around for a very, very long time; now, you have a lot more commercial companies doing that, which means the private sector, and even individuals who have the money can purchase those kinds of images now, and get them much more quickly as well.</p>

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			<p><strong>Q.<em> What</em><em> do you think is the future of space governance? Could we be talking about property rights in space?</em></strong></p>
<p>The short, honest answer is that I don&#8217;t know what future it holds in terms of property rights. It&#8217;s interesting that a few countries have now legislated to allow the sale of extracted resources or surveyed resources in the domestic market. Luxembourg, the United States, and Japan have done that, and so there&#8217;s a direction of travel in that.</p>
<p>Some countries seem to want to interpret that the Outer Space Treaty, whilst it doesn&#8217;t allow any claims to territory, excludes extracted resources. If you send a robot there and take out valuable resources, then you have ownership of those resources you have extracted but you don&#8217;t own the territory. That is a bit of a gray area in the Outer Space Treaty, and it&#8217;ll be up to the countries that are interested in this to figure it out and decide: Do we need to have a common interpretation of Article 2 of the Outer Space Treaty? Do we need to write a new subsidiary treaty? Perhaps, like the Liability Convention or the Astronaut rescue agreements which are sub-treaties to the Outer Space Treaty that develop the finer principles further.</p>

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			<p>Read: <a href="https://politicstoday.org/united-states-china-rivalry-over-space-and-small-satellites/">The US-China Rivalry over Space and Small Satellites Reaches New Levels</a></p>

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			<p>However, I&#8217;m not optimistic about that future, because if anything of value is found that is economically feasible to develop or exploit, then selfish interests will probably prevail because the precedent is already there in Earth orbit. If you want to look at the actual competition for resources in space, it&#8217;s been happening for decades already in the geostationary satellite belt.</p>
<p>At geostationary orbit, 36,000 kilometers above the equator, there&#8217;s a finite space and finite radio frequency spectrum to use, and different countries have to file at the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) to get the right to use the particular radio communication frequency and the location to put their satellite. They are given a time limit to get their satellites up there and to start using it. Then, they must continuously use it and have a satellite there, or they lose the right to that slot and somebody else can bid for it. It’s pretty much on a first-come-first-serve basis.</p>
<p>The geostationary belt and Earth orbit are so valuable for military and economic purposes that there is no truly equitable method of governance there. It may occur in the future; politics is about possibilities. However, that&#8217;s the precedence we&#8217;ve set over the last 70 years, and it&#8217;s not encouraging. I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re going to have profitable moon mining anytime soon. I think that might take another 100 years or more. But if the moon becomes economically very valuable, there aren&#8217;t many positive precedents to use sadly.</p>
<p><strong>Q.<em> Do actors hog up these strategic locations? Is there any regulation that prevents such an act?</em></strong></p>
<p>In terms of geostationary satellite slots and frequency use, it is first come, first served, and if you don&#8217;t use it, you lose it. The filings on the ITU are constantly watched because if countries or companies file for a certain frequency, and if it was approved, they own that frequency. Some countries like to file for very large satellite constellations and people evaluate this as an attempt to hog the spectrum or a location.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to the countries within the ITU to resolve those disputes before final decisions are made. If the ITU fails to make enough decisions that people think are fair, then the organization itself risks becoming desolate. There has to be some level of coordination to avoid jammed and incompatible satellite usage. So, you could end up with a situation where nobody can use satellites in a certain area, because too many people are trying to use it at the same time.</p>

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			<p><strong>Q.<em> How does more countries or actors stepping into the space arena translate to international relations?</em></strong></p>
<p>That is a difficult question. I won&#8217;t have a clear answer for you, because I&#8217;m observing it just like everyone else. The phrase the “democratization of space” is being thrown around a lot. I don&#8217;t like that phrase because I don&#8217;t think that having more countries doing things in space is necessarily democratic.</p>
<p>Space governance is usually more a reflection of power politics rather than any democratic process, and a lot of countries that are doing more things in space are not democratic countries themselves, and even within democratic countries there are questions over how involved the wider electorates are in space policy, or whether they are actually interested or informed about their countries’ space policies and activities. There&#8217;s a representation and engagement question there that we would ascribe to any system we would call democratic.</p>
<p>So, whilst there&#8217;s more population in space now, perhaps in terms of the number of different countries, and also large private companies doing things in space, I wouldn&#8217;t call it democratic. We don&#8217;t have a truly democratic governance structure for outer space. There are votes of the UN General Assembly, but it&#8217;s not really the same as the domestic democratic system.</p>
<p>On one hand, more countries are paying more attention to space now, because it affects everyone, so more engagement and more awareness is a good thing. On the other hand, it means that the ways that a lot of countries have been using the United Nations to try to govern space activities needs to be revisited in a way that recognizes that dozens more countries now have a stake in it. It&#8217;s not necessarily the West versus the rest, and it requires a shift in mentality for many of the older traditional space powers, including China, Japan, and India, just like Western Europe, the United States, and Russia.</p>
<p>The older, bigger traditional space powers are used to being able to do what they want to, without having to consider the rest of the world too much—that is less and less the case now. If they can&#8217;t change the ways they behave, or try to get agreements or consensus built in various forums, that may be an issue. Space is becoming more like governing the seas now, with a lot of smaller states much more involved and influential in any sort of UN-level agreement.</p>

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			<p><strong>Q.<em> Do different countries take similar or different paths in developing and utilizing space technology?</em></strong></p>
<p>There are variations, especially in the way countries might want to present themselves. Yet, they share a lot of the same technological hurdles because it&#8217;s the same base technologies that you need to use. As I do in <em>Original Sin</em>, you can look at six or seven significant space powers and they all must get over the same technological hurdles to have their own access to space, their own launch vehicles, their own satellite industries, their own educated and trained workforce in space technology and sciences, etc.</p>
<p>Especially early on, when space knowledge and technology were not as widespread, there were many common challenges that had to be faced. But then, within that broad similarity, in terms of the technological challenges, you have the variations in the way certain countries go about doing things.</p>
<p>Japan, for example, didn&#8217;t really have that much of an explicit military connection to its satellite and launch vehicle deployment. The logic of autonomy and avoiding complete dependence on the United States was supported by the Japanese government, just in case Japan might need to develop its own nuclear weapons program in the upcoming years. Having a nuclear energy industry and a rocket launch industry, you got the fundamental infrastructure there to develop nuclear bombs and missiles, if you need to down the line. India&#8217;s major space efforts were presented in terms of social and economic development, much more so than the Soviet Union, China, and the United States.</p>
<p>Today, there are even more variations because there are already six established space powers: the United States, Europe, Russia, China, India, and Japan. Other countries can now cooperate or purchase services and pick and choose which aspect of space industries they want to develop or take part in. Take Nigeria, for example. It has dropped its old ambitions of having its own launch vehicle, its own rockets, and its own astronaut in space, and focused on satellites and using satellite data. That means, Nigeria has really important stakes in what goes on in space, but it can&#8217;t launch its own satellites and it still buys satellites. It still hasn&#8217;t gotten a full satellite manufacturing capability yet, but it operates and uses its own satellites.</p>
<p>Brazil has major Earth observation satellites in a joint program with China. It tried to have a launch program which failed, and they eventually gave up on it because it was just too expensive. Other countries, for a fee, would launch their satellites for them. Britain, for example, doesn&#8217;t have its own launch capability, but it does a lot in space science, engineering and research, integrated with the European Space Agency. It relies on the United States for security and intelligence applications in space and services, and is a world leader in small satellites manufacturing. It&#8217;s not comprehensive, but it&#8217;s got very targeted, niche strengths.</p>
<p>Finland has a commercial radar imagery satellite company, and is a big player in terms of the space economy and technology development in the particular area, but it doesn&#8217;t have its own rockets.</p>
<p>Just like any other aspect of military, technological, economic, or diplomatic power, space power has so many different applications. What matters is what kind of space technologies and industries each country actually needs because they will be different for each case.</p>
<p>Different countries today can tailor their space strategies and policies according to their economic and security needs, etc. The United Arab Emirates is particularly interesting. They are throwing money at space in lots of different areas; they are investing in defense security, economic infrastructure, and space exploration. They have sent a satellite to Mars and wanted to send a payload to the moon, but they still don&#8217;t want to build their own rockets.</p>
<p>Space is still so expensive and you need a lot of trained people and highly specialized skills. You need to have loads of people go into rocket science, which would take them out of other sectors of high-technology skills and training that they could otherwise be deployed at. Therefore, space power must be targeted in countries that are new to space or smaller countries.</p>
<p><strong>Q.<em> The Outer Space Treaty bans the placement of nuclear weapons in space but that&#8217;s not the case with conventional weapons. What measures can actors take to protect themselves?</em></strong></p>
<p>This has been the case since 1967 based on Article 4 of the Outer Space Treaty. There&#8217;s not a lot you can do in terms of governance, because there&#8217;s no appetite for any more restrictions on other kinds of weapon bans in space. The Russians and the Chinese have tried to push a treaty on it, but it has not gotten anywhere. It is seen by many as a bad faith diplomatic exercise; it is not something that&#8217;s done with genuine intent to try to make space warfare less likely to happen.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a lot you can do other than to build more satellites, so that if something happens to one, there are more ready to take over, or to build terrestrial alternatives or backups. If the satellites go dark, there&#8217;s not a lot you can do because if a determined enemy wants to shoot down your satellite and they have technology capabilities, direct defense of satellites is very difficult.</p>
<p>Against electronic warfare or cyber warfare, there are more options for defense. However, it&#8217;s difficult for us on the outside to observe it. The forensics of that become very difficult. It&#8217;s hard to tell when something is a deliberate attack or just accidental.</p>
<p>They are highly proliferated and the cost to entry is lower, so smaller powers can do cyber operations. It&#8217;s difficult to stop a missile from blowing up your satellite but you have more options to respond to enemy jamming or a cyber attack, the effects of those can be reversed. So, in terms of governance, there&#8217;s not a lot you can do. On the other hand, militarily depending on the kind of attack, there are some things you can do in some areas.</p>

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			<p><strong>Q.<em> Is there currently an arms race in space?</em></strong></p>
<p>I have a problem with the phrase “arms race” in space, because everybody uses it to try to score political points or create alarm. It sounds exciting, but the problem is that it&#8217;s used so much that the phrase has very little useful meaning. People confuse what is routine weapons development and testing for an arms race. Since we are in an anarchic international system, the great powers of the system will continue to seek to develop various kinds of weapons technologies and space is no different.</p>
<p>The fact that the big powers are exploring various kinds of anti-satellite weapons is not new. This is not the first time this has happened; an arms race would be if they start deploying dozens of anti-satellite platforms in succession on each side. We are not really seeing a mass deployment of a lot of space weapons but instead lots of development and testing. In terms of deployment of proven systems, we are not quite there yet but the countries are exploring their options.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean we should like it or welcome it, but it&#8217;s just usual great power behavior. This is what they do, and normally it means that we shouldn&#8217;t be alarmed. We just approach it like we try to approach all great power interactions: Yes, they don&#8217;t trust each other. Yes, they&#8217;re going to build the weapons they think they need. But let&#8217;s keep talking and try to find ways to understand each other, and not think, “Oh, my God! They&#8217;re starting an arms race!” Because if you do that, many people think you have to race them back. This is sadly an inevitable part of great power relations, and we should treat it as such. People who do space like to think space is special. It isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Q.<em> My last question is about orbital debris. What are the main issues with it? How does it affect the future of space activities?</em></strong></p>
<p>Debris is a real problem. Collisions have happened before and they will happen again, and very little is being done in concrete terms to reduce the amount of debris that is generated through normal operations, or to clean up the debris that is there already. So, problems are only going to get worse. It&#8217;s much like climate politics: everybody who knows anything about the issue knows it&#8217;s only getting worse, and it&#8217;s going to be even worse for the next two or three generations of humans. But we&#8217;re not really doing enough about it.</p>
<p>Space politics is the same as terrestrial politics: you have countries that want to make money and people who don&#8217;t care so much about the environment or say it’s a problem for the next 30 years and not right now. Additionally, there&#8217;s also the cost of doing it. It would be a very costly activity to clean up an orbit, and of course, new actors in space who haven&#8217;t polluted outer space say, “Well, we didn&#8217;t make this mess. Why should we pay to clean up?” The political dynamics are the same, really. It&#8217;s a classic collective action problem.</p>
<p>In terms of future activities, it&#8217;ll make things riskier, costlier. In terms of passing through orbits, it shouldn&#8217;t be a problem, but there are already certain altitudes in the low Earth orbit which certain satellite operators are now ruling out because the chances of being hit by something are much higher than if they adapted their satellite to work maybe 300 kilometers higher up or lower down than the busy zones. However, eventually you&#8217;re going to run out of those quiet orbits. It&#8217;s already a problem that’s not going away anytime soon.</p>

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</div><p>The post <a href="https://politicstoday.org/space-governance-power-politics-original-sin-interview-with-bleddyn-bowen/">&#8220;Space Governance is Just a Reflection of Power Politics,&#8221; An interview with Bleddyn E. Bowen</a> appeared first on <a href="https://politicstoday.org">Politics Today</a>.</p>
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<p>In the new world order, disinformation and fake news can only be fought with strategic partnerships and cooperation.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://politicstoday.org/how-the-turkic-world-is-enhancing-cooperation-in-media-and-communication/">How the Turkic World Is Enhancing Cooperation in Media and Communication</a> appeared first on <a href="https://politicstoday.org">Politics Today</a>.</p>
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			<p><span class="r-es-drop-cap">C</span>ooperation between the Turkic-speaking countries reached a new level with the establishment of the Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States (Turkic Council) in 2009. Azerbaijan’s victory in <a href="https://politicstoday.org/?s=Karaba" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Karabakh</a> and the U.S. withdrawal from <a href="https://politicstoday.org/?s=Afghanistan" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Afghanistan</a> added a strategic dimension to the council.</p>
<p>The Turkic Council’s name was later changed to the “Organization of Turkic States” to reinvigorate the group’s dynamism. The decision was taken at the council’s 8th summit in Istanbul, Turkey on November 12-13, 2021. According to a joint declaration, the “Turkish World 2040 Vision” initiated by Nursultan Nazarbayev, the council’s honorary chairman, was accepted as a strategic document to guide future cooperation between the Turkic states. Now, the &#8220;Strategic Roadmap of the Organization of Turkic States 2022-2026&#8221; is under way for the implementation of the vision document.</p>
<h3><strong>Turkey&#8217;s communication efforts</strong></h3>
<p>In 2006, Turkey launched the Voice of Turkey, an international service of the state radio, to reach out to the Turkic speaking countries in a late move. The state broadcasting channel TRT has been restructured and in 2008, the website “trt-world” was launched in 35 languages.</p>

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			<p>A year later, TRT Avaz was restructured and started broadcasting to a larger audience, mainly in the Turkic world, the Balkans, and the Middle East. This allowed Turkey to address more than 27 countries with a population of 250 million in Turkish, Azeri, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, and Turkmen. Moving forward, Turkey restructured the Directorate General of Press and Information.</p>
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Today, cooperation in communication between the Turkic-speaking states continues to rapidly grow.
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<p>The strategy bore fruits as early as December 2010, when the Turkic Council Media Forum was launched in Ankara in cooperation with the Directorate General of Press and Information and <a href="http://sam.gov.tr/about.en.mfa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Center for Strategic Research</a> of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Turkey (SAM).  Simultaneously the first meeting of the Turkic Council Media Forum was held in Ankara with the headline “Media in Globalized World: Opportunities and Challenges.” At the forum, decisions were taken to develop cooperation in the Turkic geography, to move toward the unification of the media in the Turkic world, and to make Turkish the common language of communication.</p>
<p>In October 2011, the “Media Platform for Turkish Speaking Countries” was launched to use all means to develop relations between the Turkic communities. The ultimate goal was manifested in the charter as “to establish common perceptions and positions among the member states to develop common reflexes in global politics.” Today, cooperation in communication between the Turkic-speaking states continues to rapidly grow.</p>

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			<p>Read: <a href="https://politicstoday.org/mercenaries-in-karabakh-who-they-are-and-how-they-got-there/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mercenaries in Karabakh: Who They Are and How They Got There</a></p>

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			<p>The Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States (Turkic Council) was established in 2009 to broaden this cooperation as an intergovernmental organization. The council is committed to the purpose and principles of the Charter of the United Nations (UN) and other universally recognized principles and norms of international law, including sovereign equality, territorial integrity and inviolability of internationally recognized borders of states, as well as the maintenance of international peace, security, and development of good neighborly and friendly relations.</p>
<h3><strong>Joint Media Forum and cooperation</strong></h3>
<p>To be clear the forum was launched in September 2020 and held its first meeting in October 2021. Speaking after his meeting with Azerbaijani Vice President Hikmet Haciyev, Fahrettin Altun, the head of Turkey’s Directorate of Communication, <a href="www.trtworld.comturkeyfirst-meeting-of-turkey-azerbaijan-joint-media-platform-held-in-istanbul-51005" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">stated</a> that cooperation in the media and communication fields is a valuable step to improve bilateral relations. Altun said, &#8221;We give great importance to Turkey-Azerbaijan cooperation in media, communication, and public diplomacy to combat fake news and disinformation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Turkey and Azerbaijan’s forming of the Joint Media Platform was a significant step to inform the public opinion and to produce common strategies for combating systematic disinformation on digital media platforms.</p>

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			<p><span class="r-es-drop-cap">T</span>he cooperation in media and communication strategies between Turkey and Azerbaijan brought about its first solid outcome in the 44-day-long 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh, in which Baku liberated its territories that were illegally occupied by Armenia almost three decades ago.</p>
<p>Joint initiatives of the Turkey-Azerbaijan media platform led journalists and media crews in the region and gave free access to the information needed to cover the war. Rocket attacks by the Armenian army against the cities of Ganja and Fuzuli, which were far from the conflict zone and caused the death of Azerbaijani civilians, were brought to the agenda of the West. These efforts helped prevent the spread of disinformation about the Nagorno-Karabakh war and resonated among other Turkic-speaking countries.</p>
<p>The Organization of Turkic States’ actions to enhance the cooperation between the Turkic-speaking states has resulted in a number of collaborations between state-run media broadcasters and news agencies. During the council’s 8th summit, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan joined as member states while Turkmenistan announced its plan to join as an observer state. Hungary, meanwhile, was given an observer status. The number of Turkic-speaking states joining the Joint Media Forum is increasing, and the relatively low-level meetings of the past years are now participated by ministers and presidents responsible for media and information strategies.</p>
<p>The information struggle in the post-Cold War era has evolved to a new stage especially as the world is changing into a multipolar political and economic order. In this new world order, the fight against disinformation and fake news can be effective only with strategic partnerships and cooperation in the field of communication.</p>
<p>Recognizing the need for more cooperation in communication, the Organization of Turkic States is likely to make the fight against disinformation and fake news an agenda priority, and to continue to enhance relationships in the Turkic world as it has done in the past.</p>

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		<title>We Live in a Chaotic Matrix of Perceptions: An Interview with Ali Saydam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ayşegül Gürbüz]]></dc:creator>
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<p>The core of communication never changes. There is only one aim of communication: convince to change. The indication of convincing is to lead a change. You will convince and change the attitude.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://politicstoday.org/we-live-in-a-chaotic-matrix-of-perceptions-an-interview-with-ali-saydam/">We Live in a Chaotic Matrix of Perceptions: An Interview with Ali Saydam</a> appeared first on <a href="https://politicstoday.org">Politics Today</a>.</p>
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			<p><span class="r-es-drop-cap">W</span>e live in an age of post-truth or post-reality which means that our daily lives are governed more and more by perceptions rather than true or correct information. Selahattin Emre Çelebi interviewed Prof. Ali Saydam on the chaotic matrix of perceptions. Prof. Saydam is the author of <em>Perception Management: How to Manage Communication in Turkey</em> along many of his publications and has devoted forty years of his professional career to the field of communication.<strong>  </strong></p>
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<p><strong>Q: </strong>Prof. Saydam, I want to begin with asking about a recently popularized concept: what is the ‘post-truth’?</p>
<p><strong>Ali Saydam:</strong> I love this ‘post’ story. It started with post-modernism; anything that starts with ‘post’ indicates the disruption or transformation of the concept coming after it. When you use it before modernism, a negation to modernism is understood. I believe it is important to discuss the subject in the light of the theories on the concepts of ‘truth’ vs ‘reality’.</p>
<p>For example, Turkey argues that a huge gap between its truth and perception is being created and reflected successfully; and Turkey has been struggling to break this ‘created’ image.</p>
<p>Here, it is important to note that truth and reality can never come together. In my conferences, I give this example: Telling a lie is not a good thing morally &#8211; this is the truth. Then I ask them, almost 2500 people listening, who has not lied in the past two weeks? Only a few raise their hands, who are actually lying at that moment. Reality, on the other hand, is that from the lies we tell children at home to adults at work, we tell at least 200 lies a day &#8211; but the truth is still that lying is not good virtue.</p>
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Reality is that from the lies we tell children at home to adults at work, we tell at least 200 lies a day &#8211; but the truth is still that lying is not good virtue.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Another example is war. What is the truth behind war? It is a bad thing to kill, no? But what is the reality behind war/killing? The reality can be: you are killing due to a threat to your existence or due to the interests of your country. Look at what the U.S. done in Iraq; started a war in which more than 1 million Iraqis died. In this regard, there are some mundane realities behind each truth, and these two concepts are never the same.</p>
<p>Let’s give another example from the recent Istanbul elections. The truth behind the Istanbul elections is expressed explicitly: Weakening President Erdogan and forcing him to change his execution &#8211; this is the truth. In order to achieve this, a wide front has already been established. Let’s repeat the headline of Der Spiegel: ‘Erdogan destroys democracy in Turkey in order to protect his power; the decision of the Higher Election Commission (YSK) shows that political power in Turkey will not change by elections’. This is a very serious headline! Similar positions and rhetoric are being repeated by both the U.S. and other western media channels and administrations.</p>
<p>The U.S. Department of State comments on the elections and says: We have noted the ‘injustice’ decision of YSK! In which local elections do they act in this manner?</p>
<p>Therefore, the truth here is that after a ‘breaking point’ &#8211; which sociologists locate after the ‘one minute’ reaction of President Erdogan &#8211; we see the emergence of an anti-Erdogan camp. This camp, which was thinking to nominate Erdogan for the Nobel Peace Prize before this breaking point, now has been initiating an anti-Erdogan campaign. This campaign gets many supporters both in Turkey and the West since this that.</p>
<p>On the Turkish extension of this campaign, you see the political parties come together. Without that kind of a common goal, it is impossible to see them together: Saadet (Welfare Party), HDP (Peoples’ Democratic Party), CHP (Republican People’s Party), Iyi Parti (Good Party). It is not logical to think that these parties can ideologically come together, but you see them come together in this anti-Erdogan campaign. Only these political parties? No, you have the terrorist groups like DHKP-C (The Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front), FETO (Gulenist terrorist organization), and the PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ Party). Their only aim is to create a camp against Erdogan and remove him from his position.</p>
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The anti-Erdogan campaigners want to create a situation of Erdogan vs. Imamoglu! The truth which brings all conflicting political parties together is to remove Erdogan.
</p></blockquote>
<p>This picture is clear in the coming Istanbul election: the anti-Erdogan campaigners want to create a situation of Erdogan vs. Imamoglu! In this regard, the truth which brings all these various actors together is to remove Erdogan. Why does he need to be removed? Because of Turkish political rhetoric of ‘national independence’, which is considered as ‘crossing the line’ from the perspective of the campaigners &#8211; this is the whole truth!</p>
<p>The dispute of ‘what is reality?” is being pulled into the framework of democracy and rule of law. How: ‘Is the decision of YSK just?’ This is the reality. Now you are dealing with the reality and say: ‘they stole our votes’. But, there is nothing about stealing in the decision of YSK. Why, because YSK is determining the situation in its decision. It is the duty of judicial authorities to tell you ‘who’ and ‘how’, not YSK’s duty! But the reality in this situation is being pulled to another area: ‘you give the mazbata (certification) or not’, ‘they took away my mazbata’, and no one discusses the truth behind these realities. President says ‘permanence of the state’ they reject immediately and say ‘there is no question of permanence’, why? Because it is the truth. In politics, it is not the truth that is desired to be spoken, it is the reality. You give your fight in the realm of reality and you don’t even speak the truth.</p>
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In politics, it is not the truth that is desired to be spoken, it is the reality. You give your fight in the realm of reality and you don’t even speak the truth.
</p></blockquote>
<p>In this regard, when we say post-truth, we refer to the twisted form of the truth. It is one of the hardest tasks to balance the truth and the reality &#8211; good and correct &#8211; amuse and solemnity. If you are too serious you do not amuse, if you amuse too much they would not take you seriously, it is quite important to keep these balances. Also, it is not correct to leave reality aside and deal only with the truth.</p>
<p>Today the dispute in Turkey is in the realm of reality. Look at the discussions on television and social media &#8211; all the fight and rumble are being conducted among the realities. ‘YSK said this or that’, ‘4 judges rejecting the verdict said this’, ‘justice is this’, ‘and the law is that!’ Therefore, it is healthy to examine the situation from the dilemma of truth vs reality &#8211; not from post-truth &#8211; and keep a balance in this dilemma.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> From what you explain so far, I understand that the dilemma of truth vs reality is not something new? This is something we have had all the time in the past?</p>
<p><strong>Ali Saydam:</strong> Yes, indeed.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> So, what is the different today? Are we less interested in the truth today compared to the past?</p>

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			<p><strong>Ali Saydam:</strong> Yes, this is true. Especially with the pluralization of mass communication tools together with the advancement in digital technology, we see the dominance of communication through realities. What people call ‘perception operations’ and insult it in every manner &#8211; which I totally oppose since you would be confined to other perception operations if you do not conduct yours &#8211; is exactly this. In situations where perception operations are being conducted, you cannot talk about the truth! You cannot really carry a dispute by arguing that lying is bad. There is wisdom here behind the truth, you cannot dispute wisdom, that is absolute; whereas the disputes carried out through realities become perception operations.</p>
<p>Of course, the big difference today is the means of communication. What was the mean of communication before modern times? Müezzin (person who calls for prayers) climbs the minaret and calls believers or an official with a drum informs the creed of Sultan to the public.</p>
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Remember the cigarette commercials 20-30 years ago. What is the truth there? It is ‘smoking causes lung cancer’. But, what was the perception? Camel: you become an adventurer wondering nature; Marlboro: You become a cowboy; Parliament: Nightlife, fancy dressed women and men.
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<p>In modern times, there were a few communication channels and it was not easy to appear in mainstream media. Then, we had television. Remember the tobacco/cigarette commercials 20-30 years ago. What is the truth there? It is ‘smoking causes lung cancer’. But, what was the perception? Camel: you become an adventurer wondering nature; Marlboro: You become a cowboy; Parliament: Nightlife, fancy dressed women and men. Are these telling anything about the truth of cancer? These examples are also perception operations &#8211; communication based on reality, not on the truth.</p>
<p>Then, we communicated through only television, radio and analogue media, but today you have YouTube channels, influencers, bloggers who influence people for money. What do they influence for? The truth? No, reality &#8211; i.e. perception &#8211; and what is perception &#8211; it is the reality. There goes the saying ‘Perception is real because people believe in it’. This is not about the truth.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> In other words, in these perception operations or disputes in the realm of realities, we cannot really see or comprehend the truth then?</p>
<p><strong>Ali Saydam:</strong> Exactly; perception operations are not conducted within the realm of the truth, it is conducted through realities. It is an expressionist attempt, not an impressionist one. It is not the duty of the perception operations to reveal what the truth is. Rather, it is dwelling on realities and competing opposing discourses. Let’s give this example: how does Coca Cola set up its perception? By telling the truth, meaning it is a drink that contains substances causing cancer and obesity? No, but this is the truth! Will Coca Cola communicate with its customers through these facts? Of course not! ‘Happiness with a cold drink’, ‘you get happy and enjoy when you drink it’. This is how communication is built via realities, and this would never serve to reveal the truth. On the contrary, it conceals the truth and reveals the reality. Communication is done through reality, not truth; therefore, it does not take you to the truth.</p>
<p>In this point, we should ask these questions: Is Turkey able to tell its own reality? Is Turkey able to communicate through its reality? I have the feeling that Turkey, interestingly, has been trying to communicate via its truth most of the time.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> What is the role of social media in this regard?</p>
<p><strong>Ali Saydam:</strong> Indeed, it is huge, and with social media, it is almost impossible to change the perception that is created. For example, Cumhuriyet newspaper speaks with a truck driver, and this driver makes up a story arguing that 400 workers died during the construction of the new Istanbul airport. Cumhuriyet published this story on its front page. It is an absolute lie! During the construction process, 26 or 27 workers died related to the conditions of the construction sector. After Cumhuriyet done this front page, respected, serious newspapers of the West, like Financial Times and Wall Street Journal took this story and spread it to the rest of the world. Turkey immediately denied this lie but with the effect of social media, lies spread fast. Today, go and ask anyone on the street ‘how many people did die during the construction of the new airport?’ Will they say 27 or 400? The perception remains in the minds of people. We have this saying ‘Throw mud and remains its mark’ &#8211; in the past if this mark is counted one, today it is one thousand.</p>
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Today we have Youtubers, bloggers and others who influence people for money. What do they influence for? For the truth? No, for real which is perception. There goes the saying &#8216;Perception is real because people believe in it.&#8217;
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<p>There is another interesting trend in social media: sarcastic humor. If you do this, you double your influence, and if you add an image you increase your influence further.</p>
<p>As I said earlier, in Turkey, we see this as a campaign to weaken President Erdogan. If the President wants this airport, the more it is denigrated the more he would be perceived as unsuccessful &#8211; it is a setup of reality.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> There is a term used for social media attitudes &#8211; ‘echo rooms’ &#8211; where people sharing the same views or perceiving the same realities repeat the same arguments, ignoring others. Does this mean we are in a chaos of realities? How do we hear/comprehend each other? How do people compromise?</p>
<p><strong>Ali Saydam:</strong> Today, every individual is a publisher. In order to manage this chaos, you have to have some special talents and expertise. If there are some spreading lies about you through digital platforms-social media, then you have to develop your managing skills to obviate the lies to spread. The problem is exactly here.</p>
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When we look at the conservative Muslims in Turkey, we see the lack of entertainment skills. But, the most influential realm in social media is entertainment.
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<p>In addition, for example when we look at the conservative Muslims in Turkey, we see the lack of entertainment skills. But, the most followed and effective/influencing realm in social media is entertainment. In my view, this is one of the reasons for the failure of Turkey in explaining its reality. Today’s entertainment does not fit with the nature of conservative Muslims in Turkey. You can see this in their daily talk as well. So, here is the problem: there is a section in Turkish society who do not use social media as it should be, because of their nature that is constructed on a set of customs and traditions related to the belief system. This is another major difference of today from the past.</p>
<p>In the past, everybody used to use the same media channels and defend their rights by sharing -more or less- the same culture and values. However, today is different, social media has its own culture and values. The conservatives are not able to cope with this new culture. Only in the field of rap and some other types of music, they manage to be successful and grab the spirit of times. On the other hand, for example, they were also not able to produce anything as effective as in the field of satiric comics like Limon or Gır Gır. The entertainment business is not very strong among conservative Muslims, they are serious people by nature.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> How is communication adapting itself to this pluralization of mediums?</p>
<p><strong>Ali Saydam:</strong> Well, the core of communication never changes. There is only one aim of communication: convince to change. The indication of convincing is to lead a change. You will convince and change the attitude. ‘You do not buy this product but buy that instead’, ‘you will vote for this party and not the other’, ‘you drink this and not that’. You have to convince &#8211; this aim never changes in communication.  But how you will convince change depends on the culture and values of the target group, the means of communication, and the spirit of time. Modernity has an important role here and indeed, ‘how’ is constantly changing &#8211; but ‘what’ &#8211; the aim or the core never changes. There is only one rule: You convince!</p>

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